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Third televised forum: KMT, DPP clash over concurrent referendums and elections (2021/11/24)
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    Third televised forum: KMT, DPP clash over concurrent referendums and elections (2021/11/24)

    Let's move now to the referendum campaign. On Wednesday, the Central Election Commission held its third televised forum on the four ballot questions. During the morning session, KMT and DPP officials debated whether referenda should be held alongside general elections. Each side accused the other of using the issue to advance their political goals. Watch.

    It's the third televised briefing before the Dec. 18 referendum. KMT Councilor Chung Pei-chun makes a case for holding referendums alongside general elections. She says there would be no problem with doing so, if it were not for the DPP.

    Chung Pei-chun
    KMT Taipei City councilor
    You can all see the list I'm holding now. It's just 14 names long. But you can see that the Central Election Commission wrote my name wrong. The DPP says that we shouldn't hold referendums alongside elections, saying that doing so would result in the same mess we had in the 2018 local elections. But the actual cause of that chaos was the ineptitude of the Central Election Commission and the incompetence of the ruling party. The DPP is pissing on our boots and telling us it's raining.

    Chuang Jui-hsiung
    DPP lawmaker
    The 2018 elections were handled badly. Take a closer look at what happened. The first to take action over it was the DPP itself. We immediately demanded asked the head of the CEC to resign. I want to ask this representative here: To date, what has the KMT done that has been beneficial for the referendum process?

    Sparks flew as the two sides clashed onstage. Even former President Ma Ying-jeou became fodder for debate.

    Chung Pei-chun
    KMT Taipei City councilor
    The referendums under the Ma administration were different from the ones under the Tsai administration in 2018 and 2021. The Tsai administration is getting flooded with referendum proposals, which you blame on low petition thresholds. It'd be more appropriate to say that the Ma administration was willing to listen to public opinion. The Ma administration didn't try to force its will down people's throats, giving them no recourse but to seek referendums to express opposition to the government.

    Chuang Jui-hsiung
    DPP lawmaker
    In 2004, Lien Chan and James Soong filed a lawsuit over the results of the election, saying that holding a presidential election on the same day as a referendum was electoral fraud. Then in 2008, when there were two referendum questions about Taiwan joining the U.N., the KMT said that simply not picking up the two referendum ballots was OK. This is what the KMT always does - it's always pretending it's on the moral high ground.

    It was a trip back in history, as the two sides made their case. How does Taiwan hold a referendum that truly reflects public opinion? That's the big question voters will decide on Dec. 18.

    中文 Chinese  
    中選會無能 公投礙大選? 鍾沛君嗆"尿不準怪馬桶歪?"

    四大公投的意見發表會第三場今天舉行,早上登場的是"公投綁大選",正方代表是國民黨台北市議員鍾沛君,砲轟民進黨選務辦不好,公投綁大選才會出包,還痛批"尿尿不准,怪馬桶歪"。而反方代表立委莊瑞雄則反批國民黨過去拒領公投票,現在變成正義化身,不知今夕是何夕。

    四大公投意見發表會第三場,正方代表鍾沛君一上場先秀公文展開攻勢,主張"公投綁大選"沒有問題,問題出在民進黨政府。

    [[台北市議員(國) 鍾沛君]]
    “各位可以看到我手上這份名單,其實上頭也不過就14個人名而已,中選會竟然還可以打錯我的姓名,民進黨口口聲聲說不能夠公投綁大選,會像2018年一樣亂,顢頇的中選會加上無能的執政黨,才是這場混亂的罪魁禍首,是民進黨自己尿不準,還要去怪馬桶歪”

    [[立委(民) 莊瑞雄]]
    “2018年選務辦不好,你仔細再把它看看,率先開出重砲的,全部是民主進步黨,我們也馬上要求中選會主委下台,我真想問正方的代表,國民黨從過去到現在,為我們公投到底做過什麼正面的表現”

    兩人唇槍舌戰,炮火連天,連前總統馬英九,也成話題主角。

    [[台北市議員(國) 鍾沛君]]
    “馬政府時期之所以不會像2018年,還有2021年的此時此刻的蔡政府,被這麼多的公投案打在臉上,你與其說是連署門檻低,更應該說是馬政府執政時期傾聽民意,不會橫柴入灶,逼人民無奈之下,只能用公投的方式去打臉他”

    [[立委(民) 莊瑞雄]]
    “2004年連戰跟宋楚瑜先生,提起選舉無效之訴,他的主張就是認為,總統大選跟公投同日同地舉行,叫做選舉不公,過去2008年,國民黨說返聯入聯公投,兩張選票拒領也ok,這就是國民黨一貫地,提籃假燒金”

    回顧歷史,誰真的守護民主?如何才能讓公投真的投出民意,12月18日人民會用選票決定。
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